tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN July 28, 2012 3:00am-4:00am EDT
it's fabulous. these games, you know, great weather, enthusiasm on the part of the people here in london. i think you're going to see terrific games that will be long time in our memories. >> you've been slightly criticized for knocking the british enthusiasm. as if you haven't picked up on much enthusiasm. you feeling it now? >> well, i'm delighted to see the kind of support that has been around -- the torch, for instance. i watched last night on bbc an entire program about the torch being run across great britain. and the kind of crowds. i guess millions of people that turned out to see the torch. that's what you hope to see. >> i made a fascinating discovery last night, governor, which is that you are more english than i am. did you know this? >> i did not know that. >> your great great great grandfather miles romney was born in preston and lancashire. my great grandfather was born in ireland. you are technically more english than me. >> i knew my ancestors came from here. i know miles romney. and miles park romney.
these are the folks that came and helped settle the west. but it's -- i didn't realize i was more english than you are. >> do you feel partly english? >> well, i'm married to a girl from wales and i'm a guy from great britain so i feel like this is home too i guess. >> i saw a good oman as we were driving in. the road in front of the horse park where we're sitting in front of is romney road. >> is it really? isn't that extraordinary? >> i thought it was quite interesting. >> on the salt lake, you've used this as an example of your business skills being able to turn things around. and that's been a theme when it comes to bain capital and that later. why do you think the particular skill set that you had to deploy at the salt lake olympics, which by common consent was a triumphant turnaround, why would that work with america incorporated? >> well, of course, the olympics, that's very different than a country. a business is very different than the country. but people who learn the experience of leadership,
whether in their homes, in their community, in their business or in something like the olympics, those lessons of leadership can be applied to other circumstances. in our case at the olympics we faced tough times. we built a strong team. i was able to establish with them a clear vision of what we needed to do. we tackled a budget crisis that we faced. and we were able to together in a way through unity that produced an extraordinary success. the country is in need of a turnaround. the olympics was a turnaround. there are businesses i've been associated with that needed a turnaround. that kind of experience, of focusing on the most critical issue, building the most effective team possible, creating a common vision, unifying around that vision, and then delivering results, is something i think the american people would like to see in our economy right now. >> ann, you were heavily involved at the time. and it seemed to most people there were two reasons that you both felt compelled to get involved in it. one, you just lost an election. maybe had a point to prove.
something to do. and in your case, you were just recovering from this devastating news about being diagnosed with m.s. it kind of gave you a common purpose. it was a very poignant moment when you were asked to allow someone who was your hero to hold the torch and you chose your wife. tell me about that. >> well, ann had been diagnosed with m.s. in about 1998, and she was going downhill fast. her right side was numb. she was having a hard time getting up stairs. we were looking at potentially seeing a wheelchair in her future. and so as we got closer to the olympics, she got stronger and stronger, we were hopeful that ann might be someone who could carry the torch in to salt lake city. she made the kind of progress that suggested to the people who knew her that she was a hero. and the people we selected for torch bearers in our games were people who inspired us.
i noticed here in great britain the theme in the games is "inspire a generation." inspiration was really the heart of our torch bearers as well. and for me there was no one who had inspired me more than ann. so i nominated her to be a torch bearer. as a donor to the games, i got to choose one. i chose ann. it was an emotional moment for my family. as she got the torch. and ran it the quarter mile or so that she had the torch. >> for you, people i don't think have fully grasped just how sick you were or how sick you certainly felt at the time. what did that moment do for you? >> it was just so symbolic. because i was barely -- i was struggling with even walking as we came to salt lake three years before the game started. and then to know that -- i don't know, that everything had come together and that there was -- my life was going to be okay. and that i was getting my
strength back. it was as though you recognize blessings in your life and there's markers sometimes that are put down where you stop and pause and say, wow, look, look where i've come, look where i was, and look where i am now. and it was -- it was so significant for me to know that i was going to be okay. and that through all the things i was doing, part of it, the most important part of my recovery was really the guy sitting next to me. he was the one when i was in my really, really darkest place gave me hope and said it's going to be okay, we're going to be okay. >> you're a man known for compromise. for doing deals. getting stuff done. not getting overly irrational about issues. you've done it in your business career. you've done it in your political career. the big issue in america right now is guns. we had this appalling shooting on friday. aurora, colorado.
the worst single shooting in the history of the united states. and the usual debate, the one i've heard since i've been in america, flare up every time these things happen. there should be tighter laws. i'll be honest with you. i'm disappointed when nothing happens each time. you know, as i think mayor bloomberg put it to me, what does it take to change things? you've had a congresswoman shot in the head and nearly assassinated. 70 people killed in a movie theater. hit and wounded and killed in a movie theater. terrible things happen. what does it take to change the gun culture? to mean a change in the law isn't a contentious issue? >> well, i think the idea that somehow if you had a law saying that guns were going to be regulated in some way that that would end gun violence, why, there might be some merit to having that discussion. but the truth is, there's no particular change in law that's going to keep people who are intent on doing harm from doing harm.
the governor of colorado who's a democrat said, look, gun laws aren't going to keep evil people from doing evil things. >> shouldn't a political leader be the one that says actually we're going to do whatever it takes to make it as difficult as possible? that's what we do with terrorism. the whole fight against terrorism. it's waged on making it as hard as possible for terrorists to do anything. you just try to cut the loopholes down. here we are in britain. i can talk about this without feeling it's not my country. and we have very strict gun laws here. and we have very few gun murders. 50 maybe on average a year. japan has almost no guns and has almost no gun murders. america now has 300 million guns in circulation. and has the highest murder rate with guns of any of the so-called rich civilized countries. the reaction on friday was no politician called for stricter laws. but 43% spike in colorado in local people wanting to arm
themselves with more weapons. can't go on like that, can it? >> well, we do have a second amendment. i respect the right of people to bear arms for any legal purpose. you say that we have 300 million guns. saying somehow guns are illegal and try to collect 300 million guns would be lunacy, fallacy, a fally. that's not going to happen. that's not going to happen to our country. people have a right to be able to bear arms. real question is, what things can we do, to do as you say, prevent the kinds of tragedy from occurring that we saw? the answer there is find people who are distressed and deranged and evil and do our very best to find them, to cure them, to keep them from doing harm to one another -- >> this guy, james holmes, the shooter in aurora, he wouldn't have been picked up by anything. he had no history of mental illness. he had no history of criminality. i think a driving offense of some sort. four weapons, including this assault rifle. then on the internet, thousands
of rounds of ammunition. and a gun cartridge which could hold 100 bullets. which enabled him to fire at 70 people in a matter of a minute or two. and i say, where is the movement now by political leaders in america to mean that there can't be another guy who can do that as easily? >> piers, there was a guy in norway that went up and shot how many students, 70 students. they have very strict gun laws in norway. that doesn't keep the person from doing what happened in norway. saying to a deranged person "you're breaking the law" isn't going to stop them from doing terrible things and hurting people. we of course have all sorts of laws against bombs and making bombs. but this individual had bombs in his apartment. if he didn't have a gun, he'd have used a bomb. the idea that somehow the instrument of violence, if we can make it illegal, would keep a person from doing something illegal, i just don't think is a policy that actually will be
successful. >> the final point i make on this is when you're governor of massachusetts, you did extend a ban on these kind of assault weapons. because you did feel there was a qualitative difference between shooting and hunting and the guns you need for that and having guns where the only capability appears to be mass killing. >> actually in massachusetts we had the pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby come together and fashion a bill that both thought was an advance. it provided more rights for hunters and the capacity for them to carry out hunting throughout the state. so it was supported by both sides of the debate. that's one reason why i was able to support that. >> but president obama last night in a speech made a big speech which looked on the face of it, and he's getting credit for this, looks like he was moving to change things. when you study the detail, hard to find a specific "we should change this law." if he called you up and said,
look, we need to get together in the wake of this, as i say, the worst ever shooting, we need to get together, do a compromised deal that just makes it more difficult for people like this to evade the system. would you at least, in principle, be happy to have that conversation? >> piers, i don't support new gun laws in our country. we have a lot of gun laws now. we have background checks and other restrictions on gun ownership in our country. as you say, we have 300 million guns in america. we have a second amendment that protects the right of people to bear arms. i support that. i think that the effort to continue to look for some law, to somehow make violence go away, is missing the point. the real point has to relate to individuals that are deranged, distressed, to find them, to keep them from carrying out terrible acts. timothy mcveigh. how many people did he kill? with fertilizer? with a -- with products that can be purchased legally anywhere in
the world? he was able to carry out vast mayhem. somehow thinking that laws against the instruments of violence would make violence go away i think is misguided. >> when we come back, we'll talk about the forthcoming election and about the opinion polls. i want to ask mitt romney why is it that more people trust him with the economy than obama? but they don't find him anywhere near as likable? i'm only in my 60's...
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east london. a few minutes walk from the olympic stadium. mitt romney back with me now, along with his wife, ann. according to the latest polls, on the economy, 51% of americans trust your husband more than barack obama who gets 41%. the bad news is on likability, 60% like barack obama and only 30% like mitt romney. you're one of the people who would take both boxes. you think he's right for the economy and he's likable. what are you going to do about making americans like mitt more? >> i don't know about that one.
but, you know, the 51% we need to obviously get that to about 78%. i think at the end of the day that is what people are going to really feel confident about. because this economy is just sputtering along. we're even worried it's going to go into another recession right now. they're going to have to trust and believe this is the guy who is going to get the job done. now, i'll work as hard as i can on the likability piece. because that's wrong too. you know, he -- >> he seems a perfectly likable chap to me. i don't understand it. >> we'll get over that one. >> on the economy, clearly barack obama has decided your weakness, your vulnerability, is your record at bain capital. it's a very divisive issue. quite a fascinating issue. when i look at some of these attack ads, it's almost like he's attacking you for being successful and rich. which is not a traditional area
of battleground to an american. because america was founded on working hard, achievement, success, making money. how do you feel about the way you're being attacked in that way? >> well, i think there are attacks coming for being successful. their efforts to try and minimize people who have been able to build businesses and be successful. i think we as a society have long encouraged our kids to do well in scho. we've encouraged people to get promotions at work. to work harder and do better and better. we value people who take an individual initiative to start a business and build it. and i'm proud of the fact that at bain the consulting firm, which i helped lead in a time of trouble, and also bain capital, which i helped found and helped build. i'm proud of the fact we were able to strengthen enterprises that now employ a lot of people. we were able to invest the money of pension funds and charities. that's what bain capital did. it wasn't our money. it was other people's money. we were hired to invest. we invested it well. and we were able to invest in
some businesses which grew and thrived. some of which have thousands upon thousands of employees. this is a very exciting thing. really at this stage, the key is who can get the economy going. who knows something -- >> do you accept that when you're running a company like bain that was hugely successful, no one disputes that, you're going in, taking over companies, either you're investing in them as start-ups or as it turned out to be a more leveraged buyout situation. you go in and you give them your expertise. think your preferred way was to keep the existing ceos and incentivize them to do better with your help. some succeeded. some failed. people try to portray you as a kind of ruthless money machine who some failed, some succeeded, you didn't care, you still got your fees. a lot of people lost their jobs. their livelihoods. they lost money.
to me, the key question is, do you know instinctively from your recollections how many of those companies that you went into would have failed anyway if you hadn't? >> well, there's no question but that a number of places where we went in and invested we were investing in enterprise that was in trouble. that -- where the future was very much in doubt for it. and we invested in one business. i think it lost 50 or 60 or more million dollars the year before we invested. a lot of people didn't want to touch it. we were able to go in there with the current management team. help get the business back on track. the managers really ran it. they were able to turn it around and see a real success. it's still around today, doing quite well. provides jobs for a lot of people. the idea that somehow making a business profitable is different than helping people is really a foreign idea. because the whole american free enterprise system is associated with created success, making businesses profitable.
that means they can hire more people and grow. and every investment that i made while i was responsible for an investment firm, every investment was designed to try and help the business grow and to become more successful. it killed us if something was not successful. if a business we started, for instance, couldn't make it, and there were several like that, but there were several that took off in ways we never would have imagined. there were other businesses that were existing businesses. we wanted to make better. most of them we did make better. those that we didn't, we felt terrible about. we lost money. investors money. we became investors ultimately in our career. we lost our own money in some of these cases. but the key was we wanted all them to be successful. that's the nature of the free enterprise system. not everything you invest in is successful. hopefully most are. as the people who invested with us, the pensions and charities and college endowments and investors with us know most of our work was successful.
>> how do you feel about being married to a man who is clearly very successful, made a lot money for the family, things that normally are applauded in america by other americans. they say good, good on him. but trying to position this now as a negative against him. trying to position you and your family as too rich, out of touch with the average americans. ruthless businessman. all that kind of thing. you've lived and worked alongside mitt all that time. how do you feel about that? >> well, i think the whole piece that is missing is, again where mitt is coming from and what motivates him and what really drives him. and if you look at what really drives him, it's compassion. it's caring for others. and for me it's an irony that they're trying to attack him in an area where he's actually shined the brightest. i don't think that's an area where people would ever understand that. i don't think there are many people that would have been in mitt's position having been a very successful company making a lot of money and really walked away from it and gone and done
something as risky as running the salt lake games and taking no salary for three years. i don't think there are many people who would sign up for that. >> presumably, he could have made a lot more money if he just stayed at bain, right? the. >> absolutely, would have been a lot different. >> i heard everyone of the other partners is a billionaire. >> i can't characterize how well they've done but they've done a lot better than i did. i went on and did something which i cared very deeply about. and then ran for governor of massachusetts and made a contribution there. i'm doing this now because i care about the country. >> think -- i wouldn't have traded that for any amount of money in the world. what the experience we had. and that is what is so wonderful. >> does this really annoy you that's what people think you're all about, the romneys? >> piers, there are people who are trying to attack success and are trying to attack our success. that's not going to be successful. when you attack success, you have less of it. that's what we've seen in our economy over the last few years. dividing america based on who
has money and who hasn't. who is successful and who is less successful. that is not the american way. we're a nation -- i heard marco rubio the other day, he said, you know, we were poor living in miami. we saw these big homes across town. my parents never said to us, gee, why don't those people give some of what they had? they said, instead, aren't we lucky to live in a country where with education and hard work we might be able to achieve that ourselves? the attacks that come by people who are trying to knock down my business career or olympic experience or success, those attacks are not going to be successful. people want more success. they don't want less success. >> from here, mitt romney goes to israel. after the break, i'll talk to him about a world increasingly in crisis. i was having trouble getting out of bed in the
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the foreign policy, particularly the iraq war. how will you be different as a republican president? how will you avoid the kind of pitfalls perhaps president bush fell into? >> first, i have to note as tradition for our nation, i, being on foreign soil, avoid speaking about a new foreign policy or my foreign policy or doing that in a place that would detract from the president's efforts to pursue his own foreign policy. so i really can't -- i can't go down that path. i can tell you i think president bush took action on information that was available to him both from british intelligence, intelligence in our country and around the world, that saddam hussein presented a very serious threat to the world, including the potential of weapons of mass destruction. and he took action which he believed necessary to protect our people and our friends.
>> america's had the reputation of being the world's policeman. certainly for my lifetime. it's quite a responsibility. is it one that america continues to need to have? do you need to be the world's policeman? or as you see superpowers emerging, china, india, others, is it time for that responsibility to be spread around a little bit? >> i don't think anyone signs up for the term -- when i say anyone, i don't think any of the leaders of our nation signed up for the idea of america being the policeman of the world. the leader of the free world. i think the leader of the free world needs to be leader of the entire world. i think our nation's leadership has been perhaps the greatest source of national good on the world stage. freeing people from tyrants. lifting people out of poverty.
even in places like china. a great portion of china's strength today is the free enterprise system which has been borrowed in some respect from our nation. >> in terms of syria, you talk about dictators and so on. people think assad should go. there is a humanitarian crisis. that's unfurl. getting worse by the day. what do you do? is the national instinct of an american president, if you were there right now, would you be saying, enough, we've got to get in there? and take this guy out? >> piers, again, given the fact i'm on foreign soil, i really am not going to delve into foreign policy prescriptions that would interfere with the foreign policy of our current president. we all watch with horror at the reports that are coming from syria and look for the best avenues to prevent that from occurring. but i -- as to my own views,
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there are two questions i always ask most of my guests. i see no reason why you should avoid them, governor. how many times have you been in love in your life, properly in love? >> properly in love? >> yeah. >> once. >> this was the only woman for you ever? >> yes. >> true love. >> this is the only woman i fell in love with. i was a senior in high school for pete sakes. i fell in love with ann. hook line and sinker. she caught me. i was lucky enough to bring her into my life, and we've been in love ever since. >> the same for you? >> this is my true love. my true love. i was only 16 when we started dating. for me, my first love and only true love. now, he went away and i dated other people during that time. but this is my love. my love of my life. >> was your best deal the moment
you asked this lady to marry you? >> yes, no doubt about that. i found her early and held on. when you see something that's better than you are, that doesn't know better, why, you just hang on to her. >> you have m.s. it's impossible to believe you still have this but you do. you've survived breast cancer. brought up five kids. pretty amazing. >> well, i love her but she's also my hero. it wasn't just for overcoming the challenges she's had in health. but raising five sons. particularly my five sons. >> i've got three sons. that's hard going. >> she's a remarkable person. she put aside what could have been a very interesting career because we decided together we wanted children and a number of them. and she devoted herself to them. and was able to give her time to them. did a remarkable job. >> have you had moments when you feared you might lose her? >> yeah, yeah. there was another health issue that we haven't even spoken about. but she was in emergency surgery, and i was very concerned i might lose her.
i was concerned it was lou gehrig's disease. i told her if it's not terminal, we can handle this. anything not terminal we can handle. there have been moments of fright. >> if i had the power to let you re-live one moment of your life and it couldn't be connected to ann or the kids or family, what moment would you choose? >> probably the opening ceremonies of the olympic winter games of 2002. seeing the athletes of the world gather, recognizing the connection in the place we were celebrating those games with my family's history. following 9/11 and the tragedy of 9/11. seeing the world come together and support america. it was one of the great moments of my life. >> i'm told the romney family have an annual olympics. is that true? >> that's an overstatement by a wide margin.
>> colloquial term. >> is this true? >> yes. >> i hesitate to guess what sport the governor is -- >> they're humorous. it started out in a very -- like a triathlon. it was swimming, biking and running. >> not triathlon, distance. >> yes, not a real -- >> you used to be a runner, didn't you? >> yes, yes. >> he's still a runner. he's a good runner. then, you know, it -- i think the year that my daughter-in-law beat mitt just after she'd had a baby is when we shifted from that. i used to be able to beat the boys. now the daughter-in-law's beating me. oh, no. let's find something else. >> just totally -- that is not true. she was kind enough to stay next to me as we crossed the finish line. >> oh, okay. but i remember feeling a little bit like, uh-oh, the old legs are kicking in. but it was humorous, this summer, what we did. because the boys decided they weren't going to get everyone in the water and on the bike and in
the run. they timed each other how many nails you can get in so fast. then they did some other feats of strength. >> i would imagine with five boys it gets very competitive. >> it was hilarious, the things they came up with. that they were going to compete with again this year. and i believe -- who won it? was it craig? >> craig won. that included shooting a certain number of baskets from the three-point line, who could get the most in. >> they had a great deal of fun. i think more fun deciding -- what the competition was going to be. >> standing broad jump. the shot put. we found a large rock. who could heave the rock the furthest. and those sorts of things. >> it's just silly. the funny thing to me, i've seen home movies of this. is watching the little grandsons standing and watching. and to me that is the magic. that's where the magic happens. is this whole family participation and we're all
having a great time together. and the little grandsons are starting just to watch and see their dads and their grandfather having fun, laughing together. just enjoying each other. >> when the american athletes start competing tomorrow and over the weekend, great pride obviously. i've interviewed michael phelps from monday. he gets very emotional talking about what it means to compete for america. what does being an american mean to you? >> it means having a conviction that america is an exceptional nation. not because of who one or two of us are as individuals but because of the nation that was founded on a very unique principle. that is that we're endowed by our creator with our rights and among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. and that foundation has built a nation which is not just strong and great but also good. and the best of america in my view is the reason that america has been able to have such an impact on the world. >> come november, people will be watching this interview tonight
thinking why should i vote for this man? give me a compelling reason. >> i think the word is "trust." trust that he'll do the right thing for this country. trust that he has the right economic skills and the right experience to know how to turn around an economy. and trust that he will -- whatever decision is being made, he'll do it in what's the best interest of america. >> would you go along with that? >> she's got it right. i care very deeply about the country. i think this is a critical time in our nation's history. i want to get america stronger with an economy that creates the jobs our people need and restore the confidence that the future will be even brighter than the past. >> governor, thank you very much. >> thanks, piers. >> mrs. romney, thank you very much. >> very interesting interview. >> when we come back, i sneak ann romney away for a private chat. >> for me to have been on that journey where i was so sick and so weak and just beginning with horses with our olympic journey and then coming all the way back here, me being so strong and healthy and well.
so ann, i managed to get you away from your husband briefly to get the real gem on mitt romney. what would you say about him that you know would embarrass him? what are the real qualities? >> what i fell, how i fell in love with him was his boyhood charm. he was so light hearted and i think people would be shocked to know that's his real character. there's a real boy in there. i often say i'm the mother of five boys but i'm the mother of six boys. >> is that part of his leadership style, when he was at bain capital, has he always been very calm? >> well, i think where it goes to is this internal sense of
self, where he's very confident in who he is, and he's not going to be bothered by what other people say or disagree or whatever. but he also knows that as president he's going to be doing things that may not always be understood but always the right thing, what he believes is the right thing for the country. so he's going to act from integrity, always. and if people question his motives or anything else or accuse him or this or that, he doesn't let them get him ruffled. >> is he an emotional chap? >> very. which is something that people don't see. >> does he cry a lot? >> i would say he's emotional. i wouldn't say he cries a lot. he gets that tear in the eye a lot, but he doesn't cry a lot. >> what kind of thing triggers that? >> mostly anything to do with his family. mostly anything to do with a very moving, whether it's a hymn or a moving piece of music or a book that is deeply moving or even a movie. >> what was the last movie where
you saw a tear? >> it's hard to say when is the last time we even saw a movie. we have so little time. actually, what we do when we're together now, because we're so rarely together and we're trying to get through season two of "downtown abbey". >> you have quite literally a horse in the race, rafalca. >> i know. >> how did you get into this? >> stunned. the point where i was, 1998, 'the 9 is when i was diagnosed with m.s. i had this feeling, because i was deteriorating so quickly and i was really going downhill so fast. i thought to myself i have to go back and do what i love. i love horses and they feed my soul. and i hadn't ridden for like 30 years.
i thought before i get in a wheelchair i'm going to get back on a horse. and the funniest thing happened, getting back on a horse i started getting stronger. it's that joy factor, a lot of people say it's the literal physical therapy of being on a horse that helps people with m.s., but there was the that joy piece i don't think anyone can understand unless they love horses like i do. for me to have been on that journey where i was so sick and weak and just beginning with horses, with our olympic journey and me coming back here and being strong and healthy and well and having a horse that's competing right there, it's like the wildest dream ever. >> mitt doesn't seem very passionate about horses. he didn't seem to be aware when your horse was competing. >> you're right. i will tell you he is the most compassionate when it comes to me and understanding that this is what drives me and this is what my love is. i will tell you that mitt and i
actually do enjoy riding together. but he's more of the western trail riding where you just hop on. no real skill involved, which is a good thing. >> if i could give you a choice of mitt romney becoming president in november or rafalca winning a gold medal. >> gee, that's a tough one. how about i go for both? >> very diplomatic. thanks for babysitting the kids, brittany. so how much do we owe you? that'll be $973.42. ya know, your rates and fees aren't exactly competitive.
thanks to mitt and ann romney for a fascinating interview. on money sit down with michael phelps, arguably america's greatest olympian. >> who are your sporting eye -- idols. >> why him? >> in my eyes he made basketball what it is. >> have you met him? >> i haven't. never met him. >> what would you ask him?
if you were able to meet michael jordan? >> you know, i've had that thought a lot. >> what's the thing you're most curious about with him? >> i think part of me would ask him about what made him come back to the sport. what made him go to basketball -- baseball and then decide to come back to basketball. i think, one of the coolest things that i love about him was it didn't matter what he had going on off the court or if he was sick or this or that. he never used it as an excuse. he came out every single night on the court and he did what he had to do to get the job done and that's what champions do. it doesn't matter what else is going on when you walk into the arena, whatever you excel at, you're there to take care of the job. >> next week more shows from london.
but for now, anderson cooper. for the first time today we're getting word the suspect was under psychiatric care before last week's attack. according to court documents filed today by the suspect's lawyers he was a patient of a psychiatrist at the university of colorado, an expert in schizophrenia. the package that the suspect mailed to the university including, according to cbs, a description and drawing about shooting people, was apparently addressed to her. now, we don't know how long he was in treatment or what the exact nature of the treatment was. that word comes one week after the massacre. a week first of vigils, then memorials and now funerals. above all, though, it's been a week to focus on a dozen lives as they were lived not just as they were lost. tonight on this one week anniversary in this special hour of "360" as we have all week we're going to focus on those whose lives were lost and those
whose lives were forever changed. >> john blunk. >> we will remember. >> a.j. boik. >> we will remember. >> jesse childress. >> we will remember. >> gordon cowden. >> we will remember. >> jessica ghawi. >> we will remember. >> john larimer. >> we will remember. >> matt mcquinn. >> we will remember. >> micayla medek. >> we will remember. >> veronica moser-sullivan. >> we will remember. >> alex sullivan. >> we will remember. >> alexander teves. >> we will remember. >> and rebecca wingo. >> we will remember. >> community promising we will remember. that was colorado's governor at the memorial just days after the shooting. you can hear it in the voices of the crowd. people determined not to make this about a gunman but about a